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watch this video : http://videos.streetfire.net/video/BMW-Z4-M-Coupe-V8-vs-RSR_168998.htm

A full lap with a BMW Z4 M Coupe at the 20,8km long Nurburgring Nordschleife.

I have to say..... SHIFT is pretty damn close but I have to practice more as I'm still 15 seconds slower with a faster car



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PS. I'm playing on PC (this seems to matter according some posters than compared the physics model between the consoles and pc) and with a G25 wheel
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man this complaing about sliding bull * is getting old. LEARN HOW TO * DRIVE!!!! my cars don't slide unless i tell them to. this is getting old but i think this game does a great job at showing the true racing experience. that was their goal and i really see no way to improve it. you are doing yourself a disservice though if you aren't using a wheel with this game. ]]> http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/preList/306936/2949456.page http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/preList/306936/2949456.page http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/preList/306936/2949578.page http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/preList/306936/2949578.page http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/preList/306936/2949954.page http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/preList/306936/2949954.page http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/preList/306936/2950466.page http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/preList/306936/2950466.page http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/preList/306936/2950505.page http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/preList/306936/2950505.page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmfDBHSXYfU

The quality is somewhat low as I don't have any good software to this better.
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Well, I bet it's not pretty at any rate, because the cars are more difficult to handle in Shift than in Gran Turismo in my experience (especially powerful cars).]]> http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/preList/306936/2950566.page http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/preList/306936/2950566.page

Would be amazing if you could make a longer one (perhaps there is another freeware, but I don't know...)
But thanks for this one!]]> http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/preList/306936/2950635.page http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/preList/306936/2950635.page
The car aerodynamics in that video actually work and keep the car planted to the ground... in Shift, well... its as if cars are gliding 1 centimeter above the gravel.
The physics in the game are also quite different with other cars... its as varies with each car.
The sense of speed is also a bit exaggerated in shift. But that's the part of the fun in shift.

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watch this video : http://videos.streetfire.net/video/BMW-Z4-M-Coupe-V8-vs-RSR_168998.htm

A full lap with a BMW Z4 M Coupe at the 20,8km long Nurburgring Nordschleife.

I have to say..... SHIFT is pretty damn close but I have to practice more as I'm still 15 seconds slower with a faster car



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The first 1.5 mille of the track is not part of the actual Nurburgring track that is in the game.

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The car aerodynamics in that video actually work and keep the car planted to the ground... in Shift, well... its as if cars are gliding 1 centimeter above the gravel.[/quote]



The physics in the game are also quite different with other cars... its as varies with each car.
The sense of speed is also a bit exaggerated in shift. But that's the part of the fun in shift.

But whatever.. its not like Shift is an actual Simulator.[/quote]

If you compare cornering speed between the video and SHIFT you'll find them very close to each other. If I don't go faster then the real driver I won't notice understeer when turning into a corner nor do my tires make much noise. The bigest difference IMO is (and that probably is one of the reasons why the sense of speed is a exaggerated) is that in the game you don't feel any G-forces. In a real car you can feel in you butt when you are driving near/on/over the limit of you car.

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Would be amazing if you could make a longer one (perhaps there is another freeware, but I don't know...)
But thanks for this one![/quote]

Not only i will have to register Frap (which I probably will do anyway) but I will need to practice a bit more as well. I can't keep up with the real race driver (suprise, suprise) so the video will go out of sync in no-time. (which with the stupid windows movie maker is already near impossible to do, see another try: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxuYPE0660I ) I mainly wanted to compare them to see if the understeer some people complain about was driver or program error. (it's driver error; if you corner with the same speed as in the video you won't understeer and can safely make the turn)

PS: I don't say SHIFT is a real simulator but, at least on the PC, it's close enough for me... I just wished they would had implemented total damage (Able to continue to drive after hitting a wall with 200km/u is sooooo stupid)

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Not only i will have to register Frap (which I probably will do anyway)

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Don't bother paying for that mate, just wait till xfire has full support for the game and use it's Free video capture

As for close to real, i was astounded at how much more real the tracks actually are compaired to Grid and past NFS's, the tracks actually have bumps and stuff now, and the car sounds, well they just blew me out. It may not be a full sim but close enough to give the car lover a great experience and the die hard gamer a heap of fun!]]> http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/preList/306936/2950956.page http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/preList/306936/2950956.page
Not only i will have to register Frap (which I probably will do anyway)

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Don't bother paying for that mate, just wait till xfire has full support for the game and use it's Free video capture

As for close to real, i was astounded at how much more real the tracks actually are compaired to Grid and past NFS's, the tracks actually have bumps and stuff now, and the car sounds, well they just blew me out. It may not be a full sim but close enough to give the car lover a great experience and the die hard gamer a heap of fun![/quote]
I'd say the Spa Francorchamp has a LITTLE bit TOO MUCH bumps in them...

but it's just sooo damn fun driving in the Ring!

I couldn't compare to the REAL footage, but I could compare it to me driving an M3 E92 in Shift vs the BMW M3 Challenge with modded Nordschleife... and they're both very close...

Fastest I managed in the Challenge after multiple tries was 8:38 and that's with grinding on the wall at some parts because there's no racing line and no damage... but normally, on first few tries, I can get 8:50-9:00. In Shift, first try, I did 8:52... that's with spinning out a couple times... and the feel of speed is scary... and every time I scrape the side, it greys out, but the track in Shift is a LOT smoother... since the Challenge track mod was... well a mod! and you could see a lot of polygons in the track]]> http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/preList/306936/2950993.page http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/preList/306936/2950993.page
I know that I declared Shift a simulator because it was much more immersive that GT5P and handled more closely to real world counterparts. But I think a pure simulator really needs a racing rig where you've got arm rests, steering wheel, floor mounted shifter, and stuff. Like the 0-60 setup that was just posted on AutoBlog.

I also found cars to be well planted if you didn't try trailbraking and took the turns more carefully then I would have in ProStreet or GT5P. I raced the 'Works' Lotus Elise and it loved corners. It just didn't have a very good top speed. The Ford GT also was planted in the corners if you didn't push it too hard and came into the corner slower than I would have done in a game.

But if I pushed too hard I found that the back end just liked to come out from behind me like it would if I was driving one of the show cars at work.

I hope that you find a program to do more video with RJ.]]> http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/preList/306936/2951030.page http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/preList/306936/2951030.page
I know that I declared Shift a simulator because it was much more immersive that GT5P and handled more closely to real world counterparts. But I think a pure simulator really needs a racing rig where you've got arm rests, steering wheel, floor mounted shifter, and stuff. Like the 0-60 setup that was just posted on AutoBlog.[/quote]



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