I just started getting the bouncing issues myself.
Im on PS3 using a DFGT. Using the RX-7, fully upgraded to lvl 2. Then i upgraded the full race exhaust, braking and suspesion and tires. Now the car bounces like its a mexican/spanish showoff for hydraulics every time i hit a bump on the track. You can especially notice it on Spa GP, that track is unplayable now.
With shocks stiffed its just alittle less bouncy, but still unplayable.
I'd like to get an EA spokesperson to say this is getting fixed.. because if not, this game is being returned.
Dont get me wrong.. its a good game so far, but this is destroying the game.
My experience with issues has been pretty much the same as everyone's.
I'm on an Xbox360, Wheel, Pro setting, No assists, Cockpit view. I'm level 12, Precision dominant and I've unlocked Tier 4 stuff but working my way through the balance of the Tier 2 races.
So far I've been using a Tier 1 RX-8, Upgraded but not full on race modified; a Tier 2 Shelby GT500 completely race modded and a Tier 2 BMW M3 E92 fully race modded. Both the GT500 and the M3 have canned liveries on them.
Here are some of the things I've encountered.
Understeer/Oversteer: Its bad, its been beat to death here but the problem is real and its not simply a driver issue. Race level cars SHOULD be able to grip the track at race pace with good handling inputs. These cars do not. The effect can be diminished with tuning but not to an acceptable level.
Bouncing: I still haven't completed the Veyron race due to the pogo like handling of the car. I actually had to watch a reply as I thought an AI opponent was continually hitting me. Nope. My M3 does this on Spa as well (as mentioned above). Straight section of track, 6th gear flat out and you'd think I was in a rally race.
Visual Glitches:
The flag lady standing in my car the most obvious one. It happens at Spa and Willow Springs in both my GT500 and the M3. I guess racers really DO have magnetic personalities!
On a replay on Spa in my M3, the hood/bonnet whatever kept vanishing and reappearing. This was using the first of the Hankook canned liveries. Perfectly detailed engine sometimes and a nice logo'd hood other times. Did this the entire race. For the record, I had no front end damage on the car and the hood was in place when I finished the race.
In cockpit view, the rear mirror (not the sides) will sometimes completely pixelate the images its trying to display (NOT bluring) and then it will snap back to displaying the proper image again. I've only noticed this in my M3.
AI: The two main things I've noticed about the AI is that they will do incredibly stupid things such as turn into me on a straight stretch, run each other off track when not necessary, etc. If ANY competitor did that while in a race, they would be black flagged and removed from the race in a heartbeat. The other is the incredibley quick recovery time from going off track. When my car goes off track, its a major struggle to get back on track, get the car straightened out, etc. The AI can go off track, then back on track and be on my bumper within seconds.
Interface:
Tuning in general: It would be nice to be able to test our changes without having to go find a race, load everythingup only to find out we need to tweek some more and have to exit out and go all the way back to the tuning screen. Being able to access the tracks from the tuning section would be a big help.
Tuning in races: It would also be nice to be able to adjust our tune pre-race. Gear ratios need to be changed for different tracks, as do suspension settings etc.
I haven't seen a "practice mode" where I can just hit the track sans racing and learn some of the tracks I'm not familar with. I've only been in Career mode so its very possible I've just missed it is all.
Now all that aside I think that EA did get some things right. The vechicle sounds are really good. The cockpit view is good and I love that the interior changes as you upgrade it. The car models are good though there are a limited number of cars.
The tracks are modelled nicely and mostely accurate surface wise (we won't get back into car handling).
For me Shift is a stopover until FM3 hits the street and I'll be using it as I've been using Race Pro. Drive tracks and run in Cockpit view so I can hit the ground running when FM3 is out.
My thoughts only.
Cheers!
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So I have read the majority of the posts, and I understand all of your frustrations. I have the PC version, and I have the shakes as well.
Did any of you stop to consider that it is built into the game on purpose? Do you suppose that running the Nurburgring at 180+ mph would not induce suspension hop?
Every time that this happens to me, it pretty much goes away as soon as I let off the throttle.
Also for the record, you should try it in real life, I have a'97 Firebird T/A, and when I am going 145 mph down the freeway, there are areas where the car gets into a rhythm of bouncing up and down. YES PEOPLE that means there is physics involved. Also for the physics lesson of the day, WOOD melts.
I am not saying that what you all are experiencing isn't undeniably frustrating, what I am saying is try running the race a bit different, and see if that changes the experience.
NO, these issues don't make the game unplayable, they make the game more technical. I have never raced an NFS game that plays like this, and I have played ALL of them. I remember playing F-1 a few years back, and I could never get the hang of how to play it. After running this game through Tier 4 so far, I may go and pick F-1 back up, and see if I can give it another go, because of the things I have learned here.
Don't ned nothing but sum Suspension & Shock Tuning (adjustment)
TUNE the car kid's
Really?
Oh my god, I would have NEVER though to tune the car....how STUPID of me!
I recorded this earlier today...
cem_ea_id.IBOOMER wrote:Hey All,
So I have read the majority of the posts, and I understand all of your frustrations. I have the PC version, and I have the shakes as well.
Did any of you stop to consider that it is built into the game on purpose? Do you suppose that running the Nurburgring at 180+ mph would not induce suspension hop?
Every time that this happens to me, it pretty much goes away as soon as I let off the throttle.
Also for the record, you should try it in real life, I have a'97 Firebird T/A, and when I am going 145 mph down the freeway, there are areas where the car gets into a rhythm of bouncing up and down. YES PEOPLE that means there is physics involved. Also for the physics lesson of the day, WOOD melts.
I am not saying that what you all are experiencing isn't undeniably frustrating, what I am saying is try running the race a bit different, and see if that changes the experience.
NO, these issues don't make the game unplayable, they make the game more technical. I have never raced an NFS game that plays like this, and I have played ALL of them. I remember playing F-1 a few years back, and I could never get the hang of how to play it. After running this game through Tier 4 so far, I may go and pick F-1 back up, and see if I can give it another go, because of the things I have learned here.
PEACE
Are you retarded?
serious
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cem_ea_id.1981lpw wrote:I have not had the bouncy suspension yet because I have not tried out the top tiers yet. My problem is that no matter what i do I get massive oversteer so I have spent all of my money in career buying upgrades to try to solve the issue. I have come to realize there is no way to fix it with tuning and upgrades. I have every upgrade except works on my car, i tuned almost to MAX understeer to combat the oversteer, and even tuned down my turning radius. Nothing matters, while all this definitely improves the situation on about 50 percent of the track, the other 50 is spent flying all over the place, oversteering around bends that i clearly slowed down appropriately for. Even slow bends i oversteer like my tires are made of butter.
I REALLY hope they fix these control issues. I have played racing sims for a long long time now, and I cant recall being so disappointed in a release that has the potential to be A BLAST. I think the game is great. There are some decisions that were poorly made like the terrible livery editor, but the racing part of the game i love. I just cant get my car around the track.
do you brake while turning?
breaking while turning transfer all the energy into the front of the car. the front wheels can only so much one at a time.
try breaking early then cut into the apex.
This problem isn't a case of cars needing tuning or bad driving, it's a bug/error with the game physics on the PS3 anyway.
The Veyron invitational is almost unplayable and in this instance the car cannot be tuned, even if you drive at Miss Daisy pace the bounce is unbelievable
I can't see how this was tested it's a show stopper and needs to be resolved asap
I'm playing on the PS3 and I will say their are some great aspects to this game but some things clearly need to be fixed. These are the offical forums so I would hope that some staff trolls over this tread and post and can hopefully take the steps towards patching what has the possibility of awesomeness. Socom: Confrontation (which has nothing to do with EA) was totally unplayable when released, but since patch 1.5 (6 months later) it now is actually quite a sick online shooter, and is quite playable.
I have also on the PS3 experienced several of the above glitches mentioned. The not able to launch at the start of the invitational races is quite aggrivating.
The bouncing you experience (EX:Bugatti Video above) isn't a glitch, that is the sensitivity of a finely tuned machine emulated in the game. Their are many other bouncing/eratic behaviour that is quite apparenty coding malfunction like the Skyline clip above.
I find that if I have a steering upgrade, tune your steering to reflect how much steer you want.
Then go to options to adjust the settings of sensitivity for your device (controller, wheel, etc..). If you have a PC with windows (ESPECIALLY VISTA!) to get a 360 controller and the PC wireless receiver. Cheapest way to get everything you'd want in a PC controller with analog abilities and no cables. Why, do you ask?
Because you have to baby the gas in order to even out the bounce in the car. Pressing the analog trigger as gas requires practise to control small presses for the length of the corner. This always solves my bounce issues.
The Graphics are freakin' awesome though. Love the trippy menu background, that should be an XMB theme! (Please EA?! )
Really?
Oh my god, I would have NEVER though to tune the car....how STUPID of me!
Are you retarded?
serious
Well boys and girls...
THAT bouncing clearly looks like a bug to me.
And I do NOT agree that this game is hyperrealistic, as I have run Laguna Seca on Forza 2, and several other racing games before, and cars don't bounce like that.
Sometimes they just get totally skitterish and its as though they are not making proper contact with the road (I guess not if they are bouncing like this).
This is not a feature, it is a bug.
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Does this bouncing happen when the cars are stock, no upgrades or messing around with the tuning? Is it the upgrades that are causing the cars to bounce?
My "works" E36 bounces a lot aswell. However, it only happens when I hit another car, come across a bump, or fall off the track (the dirt sidelines ie: laguna seca and the canyon track). It makes me wonder if it's really a glitch. I alos experience the girl standing in my car at the start. The biggest glitch I've seen is within the tuning. some races my M3 has 5 gears, If I restart, the car has 6 gears and plenty of acceleration like it's meant to be.
Its a glitch for sure, my stage 2 challenger bounces rapidly on certain turns, then begins to spin and randomly fly or smash into stuff (almost like lag on an online racing game but this happened offline) then afer 10secs or so my xbox freezes. Pressing the reset/back button sets the car back on the track but it still acts crazy like that to do it. I am on xbox360
Don't ned nothing but sum Suspension & Shock Tuning (adjustment)
TUNE the car kid's
^This guy clearly does not grasp the concept that Invitational Races do not allow you to tune the cars. They are preset cars given to you.^ The developers simply tuned them retardedly.
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